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All VapeBash, Shout-Outs, Mods and Juices.  Illinois liquid BAN 

Hey Everyone! gonna to this VLOG a little bit different this week.  90% of it will be about the time I had a vapebash, and the few products that I picked up there :) I met so many amazing people, as well had the chance to reconnect with some old friends. Shout-outs and heartwarming stories galore #RubyCrew. 

There will be some  legislation talk at the end of the video regarding some awful legislation that they are trying to push though in Illinois

I honestly didn’t even get to talk about everything I wanted to in this video. But just know that if we had an exchange at VapeBash, you directly effected my enjoyment of the meet for the better. 

so tuck in, Grab your best vape and enjoy the video. As always please allow youtube to process the video before the HD option is available. 

SoundCloud link as well 

https://soundcloud.com/grimmgreen/all-vapebash-shout-outs-mods-and-juices-illinois-liquid-ban

Top of the show are some random updates and beer talk.  

VapeBash talk starts at about 8:15

Quick timelapse shot of VapeBash is at round 15:00

Amber hangs out at roughly 20:00

New Namberjuice flavors are at 29:30

VapeBash Products including 

The RADIX v1 

The Joe Litt’s 3D Printed mod

The Just tha Tip drip tips 

the Viking DNA30 mod

The KayFun Dual Coil JIG

The Classified e-liquid 

all start at around 40:00

The Peter / Victoria story is at 56:00

Illinois Legislation is at 59:40

MtBaker Vapor GWAR juice is at 60:03

The Beer

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1416/58811/

Shoutouts to the best crew on earth! I love you all 

Joe

Hannah

Nikki

Brittany

Morgan

Albin

Tyler

Greg 

Greer 

links below

Illinois Liquid Ban

http://blog.casaa.org/2014/04/call-to-action-illinois-bill-would-ban.html

The RADIX V1 

http://www.carbonmethod.com/the-radix/

JustThaTip driptips

http://www.justhatip.com/

Viking DNA30 mod

https://www.facebook.com/TheVaporShop1  

( there will be more on this later.  But i’m not sure sure I would support this shop.  I won’t be, but again… more on that later ) 

Thanks so much for watching!

-Grimm

Things are getting serious in Australia

Thank you to Jo-Anne for sending this my way.  The original forum post is here on the Aussie Vapers forum.  

http://forums.aussievapers.com/e-cigarette-vaporization-political-media-discussion/22715-heavenlyvapours-court-loss-results-total-ban-all-e-cig-model-sales-wa.html

I will copy / Paste it below for everyone to see

Additionally there is a crowdfunder here to help pay his ASTONISHING legal bills

http://www.gofundme.com/8apba8#


Hi guys,

I’m new to the forum but felt compelled to post this terrible news.

I am one of the owners of an E-Cig company www.HeavenlyVapours.com. (The website is currently down as we are removing our payment gateway while we review our legal position)

The company was founded several years ago, we sold Ego-T and 510-T models at the time. After the business had been running for almost a year and was doing very well (rating on the first page of Google results etc) we suddenly got raided by the Health Department. They arrived at my house in 3 black SUV’s and proceeded to execute a search warrant. They searched through my house and proceeded to load all of the hardware I had into several black garbage bags. The search and seizure went on for about an hour and half before they decided they had found and taken enough. They also took photos etc. The whole process was pretty invasive and surreal. They alleged at the time that I and my company had breached section 106a of the Tobacco Products Control Act 2006.

See link below for description of 106a
TOBACCO PRODUCTS CONTROL ACT 2006 - SECT 106

Applicable penalty description below
TOBACCO PRODUCTS CONTROL ACT 2006 - SECT 115

Once they had gone I contacted a lawyer and was advised to not make any comments to the health department as was my legal right.

The whole process wound on for literally 2 years before actually going to court. During this time there was incredible uncertainty regarding whether we could continue to trade. In the event it was found we had indeed breached section 106a then continuing to trade could compound the penalty we would face (first offense $10,000 subsequent offences $20,000).

During this time an array of competing companies sprung up selling the exact same products and a range of others through various mediums - websites, retail stalls at markets, shopping centres etc and none of these companies to my knowledge were ever raided or had their products seized. It was hard to understand, here we were a small business trying to do something good for the community. Trying to help people move away from an expensive health destroying habit and the “Health” Department decides to single us out. We had poured all of our savings into the business, at the time of the raid we had just purchased around $5000 of stock paid for not with profits but our own money. All of this was lost. In the ensuing period of time we had to find another $20,000 to pay for lawyers to represent us and form a defence.
On September 11 2013 almost 2 years later we finally had our day in court. The Learned Magistrate J Hawkins reserved her decision to review and weigh the merits of the presented arguments for the defence and prosecution. 
On the 22 October 2013 the written verdict was presented. The summary of which was that HeavenlyVapours was acquitted of the charges.
A couple of days later the following ridiculous and entirely biased article was published.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/li…to-ban-e-cigs/

At this point we breathed a sigh of relief and re-created our website and began to operate again believing the matter to be at a close.
We were mistaken, the Health Department or more particularly Bruce Hawkings of the health department a few weeks later lodged an appeal to the Supreme Court. We again got in touch with our current lawyer (Michael Perrella of Perrella Legal) and asked that he represent us in the court of appeals. We now had to pay another $9,000 in legal costs for this representation.
We appeared in the Supreme Court and we and the prosecution made our various arguments. The Judge J Pritchard adjourned the matter for deliberation. Yesterday on the 10 of April 2014 we were summoned to receive the judgement. 
Judge Prichard found in favour of the Health Department and in her decision expanded her conclusion to determine that in effect any product E-Cig or otherwise that involves a hand to mouth action and results in the expulsion of vapour does in fact resemble a tobacco product and there for falls under section 106a of the Tobacco Products Control Act of 2006.

What does this mean? Well in short it means any model of E-Cig irrespective of its design is now illegal by case law precedent to be sold from within WA. One can only imagine that the other states may now try to follow suit.
So what can we do?


TL;DR - The WA Health Department has successfully made a conviction of an E-Cig supplier in WA for selling hardware against existing legislation. This will set a precedent for all other suppliers in the state making the sale of all E-Cigs illegal. 

Kevin also had Vince from HevenlyVapours on his show Sunday to talk about this situation.  This IS happening.  this isn’t an Australia problem.  This is a vaper problem. 

https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/criminally-prosecuted-for

-Grimm

E-Cig Tax Debate In Jersey Is Inspiring Actual Critical Thinking About E-Cigs | Ecig Advanced News

VIA: Ecigadvanced.com ( contains affiliate links )  It seems like we’re going to catch a lot of people with this price point that will either go elsewhere to buy or will not buy it and continue to smoke a cigarette, which appears to be more harmful.  Read the whole article by clicking the links above or below.  But that quote right there speaks VOLUMES in a positive way.  This is exactly how more politicians and law makers need to be thinking.   Thanks to ecigadvanced for posting this article. 

A rough guide to spotting bad science

I found this via R/Skeptic on Reddit.  I feel like this applies pretty well to some of the sensationalist “science” coming out these days from the mass media regarding vaping.  Additionally I think it’s important for us as vapers to keep an open mind about things.  It’s easy for us to look at a report, or a study that is damming of ecigs and say “oh that’s a bunch of BS” 

Remember to remain skeptical of sensationalist studies.  But also remember that if a study is following all of the scientific rules.  There is a good chance that it’s true, and even if it’s not positive for vaping or e-cigs.  We need to accept that. 

Pay extra special attention to #5 down below 

-Grimm

Watauga TX passing incredibly deeming vape ban

       Thank you to Casey for sending this my way.  This particular vape ban seems to have just flown under the radar in the small TX town of Watauga. Upon first glance it doesn’t seem that bad.  Public vaping, While still un-fair and maddening, is not a full out possession ban.  Prohibiting sales to minors, sure.  Then you get down to section 8.09.12 where it says 

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to sell or offer for sale an electronic cigarette

What the what? so if this piece of legislation passes.  Anyone running a vape shop or selling any vape gear including batteries and liquid will be violating the law!? Not only does Watauga TX want their citizens smoking again.  But they want to turn vapers into criminals in the process. Punishable with a class C misdemeanor. 

This should not be tolerated in any capacity.  I would encourage any vapers in the area to contact your local representatives and let them now how truly awful this bill would be. 

Read the whole bill HERE and please correct me if i’m wrong about this. But it seems worse than any piece of legislation we have seen yet. 

-Grimm

http://www.ci.watauga.tx.us/

5 Myths From The War On Electronic Cigarettes -

Arguments about the efficacy of electronic cigarettes as a cessation tool aside, there are a number of myths — each with its own level of validity, or… Back from Vapebash, and back to posting here in GrimmGreen.com , thanks to John for sending this my way.  These are all very good.  I’m especially glad they covered the “KID ARGUMENT”  Myth 4: Electronic Cigarettes Are Marketed Towards Young People Among the myriad myths surrounding electronic cigarettes, none is more mind-boggling than the accusation that they are being marketed towards underage users. The entire argument reeks of “think of the children!” level irrationality and diverts the course of conversation from intelligent debate to unproductive knee-jerk reactionism. In 2010, the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington listed the number of deaths attributed to smoking  in the US as 465,651. That same year, poor diets and nutrition led to 678,282 deaths. According to the Rand Corporation, 129.6 million Americans — 64% of the population — are overweight or obese. In light of these figures, it seems foolish to lambaste electronic cigarette flavors. It makes little sense to assume or thoughtlessly parrot the idea that sweet or candy flavorings are designed to entice younger users. With such a large percentage of Americans overweight due to poor dietary choices, its senseless to police electronic cigarettes while waving the larger — and demonstrably more dangerous — threat past the gates of regulation. Because you know what else tastes like candy? Candy.

VLOG, NY State liquid ban, 3D Printed mod, Vapor Giant, Veto Review

Hello friends!! welcome to one last show before we fly out to VapeBash! no software issues this week! WHOO HOO!

just some down and dirty shop talk. In addition to beer and music were going to cover some NY State legal news, a 3D printed mod that it appears you assemble yourself.  We do some first impressions of the VAPOR GIANT, as well as a full review for the Vapor Royale VETO mech mod.  Times for the said events are listed below.  

Links for everything discussed today are also listed below.  Soundcloud link can be found HERE

This is a LONG one, So tuck in, grab your best vape and enjoy the video.  As always please give YouTube some time to process the video before the HD option is available.  Hopefully I will get to meet some of

you at VapeBash this weekend! 

First 20min or so is all beer/metal/Amber chat

3D printed mod is at roughly 22:00 

First impressions for the VaporGiant segment is right at 30:00

Review for the Vapor Royale VETO is right at 38:00

ECF Haters discussion is roughly at 47:00

NY State liquid ban discussion is at 53:00 

Aaron, poorvapers facebook

https://www.facebook.com/groups/poorvapers/?fref=ts

J - Dead Congregation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29U55hcbAzw

Joseph - Eluveitie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAbnhqj5PA

3d PRINTED MOD

http://imgur.com/a/7EJbx

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/diymodshop

VAPOR GIANT

http://www.vapor-giant.com/

VETO REVIEw

http://www.vaporroyale.com/cart/the-veto.html

NY State e-liquid ban

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S6939-2013

Here is the Petition, Thanks Chris

http://www.change.org/petitions/state-sen-hugh-farley-stop-new-york-state-ban-on-e-juice.  

-Viewer Mail Links - 

http://stinkycanuck.com/shop/

http://www.nicfitnation.com/

https://www.thevaporhut.com/product-category/rbas/page/2/

http://www.angelcigs.com/

http://www.kidneypuncher.com/

Thank you so much for watching everyone!! Don’t forget that this show is also avaliable on SoundCloud! follow this link here to listen :) 

Corey Feldman wants to reverse the LA e-cig ban

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/04/07/corey-feldman-wants-la-to-reverse-e-cigarette-ban Corey Feldman has been using e-cigarettes in place of old-school smokes for four years, and he says the devices have helped him stop putting carcinogenic, burned-tobacco products in his lungs. The actor is concerned that the Los Angeles City Council acted too fast in banning e-cigarette use in places where cigarette smoking is prohibited (bars, restaurants, parks, beaches), and he wants L.A. city leaders to reconsider. See also: L.A.’s E-Cigarette Ban Is Gonna Happen (Very Soon) Though the science is still thin on the health effects of the electronic devices … … Feldman, 42, thinks that officials who are moving to regulate them, in the same way cigarette use is strictly limited, are preventing people from making a healthier choice. He told us that he started using e-cigarettes four years ago, on Jan. 1, as part of an annual New Year’s resolution to stop smoking. The last 10 yeas of my smoking life I was trying to find a way to get out: Hypnotherapy, gum, patches, inhalants with nicotine. Nothing would work. My friend says, ‘You have try this new brand, it feels like a real cigarette. The charge lasts all night.’ … I’m proud to say I have not had a hit of a regular cigarette yet. GO GET EM COREY! I loved you in the LostBoys.  In all honesty the more people with a voice we can get behind this. The better.  Additionally stay caught up with, and support the #IMPROOF moment regarding the LA Vape bans.  There are roughly 10 MILLION people in the greater LA area, I can only assume that many of them are smokers, and many of them are vapers. There is power in numbers, and it does not look like the LA Vapers are going to go down without a fight.  http://www.improofmovement.com/ -Grimm

Flagstaff AZ “gets it” 

VIA: http://azdailysun.com/

Feel free to read the whole article HERE,  But the greatest part of the whole article is a quote from city spokesperson Kim Ott 

city officials believe the use of the devices cannot be banned generally without amending the ordinance. Until or if that occurs, businesses and other organizations can establish their own policies on e-cigarettes “ 

Amazing! letting private businesses decide how they want to handle the use of vaping within their business, without being forced by local and state governments?  absolutely perfect. 

Some places like schools and medical centers will treat them like regular cigarettes.  Which they are more than welcome to do.  Other places like bars and restaurants have said 

"some customers use e-cigarettes indoors and hasn’t had a problem"

-Grimm

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